I don't think the entity picker and service picker should be full width. Same for the event name.

And we should probably set a max-width, and center it. Is it workable on a big, big screen?

I don't think the entity picker and service picker should be full width. Same for the event name.

And we should probably set a max-width, and center it. Is it workable on a big, big screen?

On big screens, it just grows.

You want to center that? Do we have a common HA max width I should use to limit the growing?

We have a max for Lovelace, should probably use that:

Adding everything to a Ha-card 🤮 IMO cards aren't mean for everything

Adding everything to a Ha-card 🤮 IMO cards aren't mean for everything

They provide a good way to structure the screens / layouts. What would you propose we use instead?

The page :) like other webpages do :)

Im not totally against using them here. I just feel like HA trys to use Cards in too many places. I mean this is a bit different but checkout the homeassistant website home page... Somethings just aren't supposed to be in cards

But other webpages still have clear visual structure, if not by using cards / blocks (background colors), then lines / borders to structure the view port. I am not hell-bent on using cards, but if I compare the before/after of the template tab, I think it is an improvement.

And on purpose I did not move the template listeners information or on the event tab the available event list into ha-cards, since now the other elements around provide enough structure IMO.

We have a max for Lovelace, should probably use that:

@bramkragten Are you sure there is a fixed max width for the content overall? I can see that each column has a max-width of 500px but I cannot see an overall restriction. The <hui-view> sets width to 100%. I was able to add new cards until there was not enough horizontal space anymore for a new one, so they were added below vertically then.

How do you propose we limit the size? Set a fixed limit at 1500px and leave its position as-is?

Yes, set a fixed limit. I personally like it to be centered when it reached the max.

Also, I think we should remove the card from the template dev tools and the service description. It really doesn't add anything and I don't think it looks better.

Yes, set a fixed limit. I personally like it to be centered when it reached the max.

Also, I think we should remove the card from the template dev tools and the service description. It really doesn't add anything and I don't think it looks better.

Any proposal for the max width I should set?

I also quite strongly think that using cards here really helps with the visual appearance. Previously the template view just looked like a collection of "thrown" together elements. Now it's a much clearer two column look: Left side input, right side output.

For the services: There is now a clear visual block that contains the details about the service and the related "Fill example data" button. The constant full-size width of the card also helps the page's consistency independent of how narrow the service parameter table itself is.

So overall I feel quite strongly about those proposed changes 😄 . If it turns out I am the only one with that opinion, I could "probably 😉" also live with putting a full width horizontal line below the "Call service" button to at least have some sort of visual guidelines between input area on top and information area below.

Update: The card for the "Services" is actually already in the dev branch through another PR (#7364). So that part is no longer up for this discussion 😆 .

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Will tackle that soon, by splitting into smaller PRs so that the non controversial parts can be merged.

fyi, I'm rewriting the service dev page soon 😄

Can we extract the events part of this PR in a separate PR?

Yes, it is somewhere on my todo list :)